My mom and step-dad had me circumcised when I was 16. I had a bad masturbation habit and didn't hide it. I just couldn't keep my hands off of myself. I would often play "pocket pool" (masturbating by cutting the corners out of pants pockets) during classes. I didn't even care if others seemed to notice. I did it by our pool, when I watched TV in the family room, and even in church. My parents talked to me about it repeatedly. My teachers complained about it. I was not dating girls, or even interested in boys. After nearly two years of this, my parents and the family doctor decided I should be circumcised. My foreskin was very long, although it was loose. The doc said it was inflamed and always had a foul smell, although he could not see any smegma. At 16 they took me to a urologist recommended by our doctor and he circumcised me tight. When soft there was no loose skin bunched behind the glans and hard no skin movement at all. I was scared to be circumcised, although I thought it might help me control myself. And, miraculously, it did! I couldn't even think about touching my penis for two weeks. When I was finally healed, the urge seemed to be gone. Shortly thereafter I had showed my good friend my newly cut cock. I had told him what was going on just before I was cut. He told me how he lubed his glans to masturbate and I eventually did try this. However, I was also starting to date and it wasn't long before I became sexually active. I was also glad to be like all of the other boys. Today, I'm married with 5 children. All of the boys were circumcised at birth. It may not be a good reason to circumcise every boy at birth, but the procedure sure helped me. Tim (USA) |
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| Seriously, I don't think the practice of circ'ing to deter masturbation
is necessarily a bad thing. It doesn't stop it (those who believed it did were way off
beam!) but I'm sure it quelled my inclinations. If I'd been uncut any longer I'm sure I'd
just have gone ahead and jacked off continuously. Masturbation can become a bit of an
obsession with some boys. Circ'ing is in part a useful tool (no pun intended!) in
diminishing the likelihood of obsessions developing. Steve (USA) My 15 year old son (uncircumcised) and his 16 year old cousin (very tightly circumcised), who is staying with us for his A-levels from New Zealand, both masturbate at least once and usually twice a day. I can not see anything wrong with that and I do not think that circumcision makes the slightest difference in the frequency of masturbation. We offered our son circumcision, and he is still considering it. There is some good-natured teasing between the boys because of my son's foreskin, but I think that is natural too. Daniel (UK) I would agree that at some level of frequency masturbation would be considered excessive. I'm just not sure where the line should be drawn. As a teen, I masturbated essentially every time I took a shower (well, not in the school locker room). Masturbation doesn't have to be an anti-social event; I used to masturbate in groups, which included various combinations of family(brothers and cousins) and friends. Some were circ'd, some where not. That status sure didn't seem to influence how often any of us masturbated. Paul I can say that as an uncut boy, I did have a masturbation problem... always jacking off, 4-6 times per day from age 10-18 or so. But I did also have lots of sex (including much mutual masturbation) with other boys early on, then girls as I got a bit older (later teens). My teen nephew, whom I am sure most of you know I recently had circumcised, had a bad masturbation habit when he was younger. By the time he was in his early teens (according to his account) he was down to masturbating 1-2 times per day (from a high of 5-7 times), and doing this instead of having sexual relations with either girls or boys. He said he found masturbation more pleasurable and less stressful than sex of any kind. He also said that he was embarrassed to show his uncut cock to either girls or boys, hence his desire for masturbation. Further, as he would only suck a circumcised boy himself, he felt it unfair to ask girls or boys to suck his untrimmed member. Now that he's fully and tightly circumcised, he reports he is having regular sexual relations with his girlfriend, and it is is extremely enjoyable. Based on the above, I'm not sure if the presence of foreskin (lack of circumcision) caused excessive masturbation or not. But I do think circumcising your boys does have many benefits, and if it helps a boy to be more "social" then I'm all for it. David |
| I think it is equally important that the circumcised boy is more
likely to be confident with girls and/or the active partner with other boys. He doesn't
face the problem many teen boys face in getting their foreskin back for the first time, he
has no worries about smells or smegma putting his partner off. Getting into the
alternative is always going to be the most effective factor in stopping masturbation
becoming an obsession! During my early teen days, uncut boys (especially those with
a tight foreskin) often became the passive sexual partner, servicing the active
(circumcised) partner. I've heard this is often the case in the gay community today. Jim (USA) |
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CIRCLIST SURVEY ON THE EFFECTS OF CIRCUMCISION ON MASTURBATION
After
very many hours (I kid you not) I have got all the data from the survey forms
into an x-base table, and here is my initial but fairly substantial report of
the data. Apologies if it is rather
heavy going but I think everyone will find some parts of interest.
The
full report I will attach as a MS Word 6 doc file; the summary of conclusions
follows in the body of this letter. Everything
is copyright ©
James
Badger 1999. All normal copyright
provisions apply but of course I hope j will post it on the Circlist Web page.
In general Iâll be happy to give permission for non-commercial use but
only if I am contacted first.
1.
Uncircumcised men start masturbating at a younger age and throughout life
masturbate more often than circumcised ones.
2.
Circumcised and natural men masturbate in different ways.
Some of these differences are pretty much what we would expect: natural
men like pumping the skin, especially moving it back and forth over the glans,
circumcised men like massaging the penis with a lubricant.
Others are less obvious - circumcised men like humping the bed or playing
with the frenulum more than natural men do, while the reverse is true of pulling
down hard on the shaft skin.
3.
Styles of foreskin also made a difference for natural men.
Again, some were obvious - men with long or tight foreskins were more
likely to leave them forward when masturbating.
Others were less so - men whose glans was automatically uncovered on
erection were likely to stroke the glans alone, dry, while men who used lube on
the glans alone would need to pull the skin back first.
A tight frenulum was pretty much a prerequisite for the Îpull back hard
and tightâ method of masturbation, whereas a looser one was required to
masturbate with the frenulum itself.
4.
Circumcision styles made a lot of difference to masturbation techniques.
Again, the obvious one was that pumping the skin was easier with a loose
circumcision, and rubbing with a lubricant was preferable with a tight cut, but
many factors were much less obvious. Dry
stroking of the whole penis was only popular with some loose skin present, and
was not at all popular with a Îhighâ scar and a lot of inner skin on the
shaft. Pulling skin over the edge
of the knob required not only a reasonably loose cut, but also a Îhighâ scar
with lots of inner skin. It made no
difference to masturbating with the frenulum whether or not the frenulum had
been removed or not, or whether the skin there was tight or loose, but it was
essential that there was some inner skin present in the region - a scar which
angled up under the glans was not compatible with this technique.
5.
Soreness from masturbation was almost entirely a problem of uncircumcised
men. Conversely, masturbating a
tightly circumcised penis with lubricant was a sure-fire way of avoiding
soreness.
6.
The popular conception that infant circumcisions are Îhigh and tightâ
is quite false. Infant circumcisions could be tight or loose, and the scar
could be close to the glans or well down the shaft.
7.
Medical assistance with retracting a tight foreskin was invariably a
failure in the long term. Circumcision is the only solution to this problem.
Almost
all men enjoyed masturbation, however they did it and whatever sort of penis
they had. Maybe this report will
give you some ideas to improve your pleasure, or to give greater pleasure to
your partner.
James Badger
Circumcision and its Effects on Masturbation
copyright © James Badger, 1999 &
2000
Introduction
Here at last is the first report from my long-running survey on circumcision and
masturbation. The survey form went out in three main versions, with some minor
revisions within each. The second and third were the most widely circulated and
therefore account for most of the replies.
Version 1 didn't have any general questions about masturbation attitudes and
frequency; the final version added a few questions about first starting
masturbation. The forms were posted to the Circlist email discussion group and
on the newsgroups alt.circumcision and alt.sex.masturbation.
147 men replied to the questionnaire, 105 circumcised and 42 natural. Only 30 of
the circumcised men were cut as infants, while 58 were done as adults, at ages
ranging from 20 to 50. Five men had been cut as boys before age 10, and another
5 before age 14; most of these were a consequence of clear foreskin problems.
Seven were done as older teens, aged 15 to 19; it seemed that one or two of
these were carried out for religious or ritual reasons. The proportion of men
cut as adults is not typical of the general population but it is probably a
close reflection of members of the circlist discussion group who made up a large
proportion of the respondents.
Masturbation - how is it for you?
Circumcised men masturbated less often, on average, than naturals - 23 times a
month against 32. (This has been a consistent feature in all my surveys). There
is a confounding factor here since so many men were circumcised as adults. Young
men typically masturbate more frequently than older ones, and men circumcised as
adults (at an average age of 29) will be older than the sample as a whole. A
fairer comparison is between men circumcised at birth and natural men. Men
circumcised at birth masturbated more often (26 times / month) than those
circumcised as adults (20 times / month), suggesting that age is indeed a
factor, but they still did it substantially less often than natural men. Men who
were circumcised as adults or teens masturbated, in general, less often now than
before their circumcision, but again this is probably mostly the age factor.
All these figures should be interpreted in a loose fashion since there was a
huge range of variation. Masturbation frequencies varied from zero to 80 times
per month among circumcised men, and from 5 times to 90 per month among
naturals. Most of those who didn't masturbate much got regular hand jobs from
their partners. If we include masturbation by a partner, no uncircumcised men
had fewer than 9 jack-offs per month, whereas one in 8 circumcised men were
below this total.
Some of the high figures are a little surprising - they are much higher than my
previous surveys have found. Over half the uncircumcised respondents masturbated
at least once a day, and 10% masturbated twice a day or more. Corresponding
figures for circumcised men were 30% and 8%. I didn't ask for ages but the
twelve men who were circumcised after age 35, and who therefore must have been
older than that, all masturbated less than once a day, so it is probably the
youngsters setting the records.
Anyhow, there is no doubt that men in this survey enjoy playing with themselves!
A huge majority (85%) agreed with the statement "Masturbation
(solo) is great - a fun and enjoyable activity". Only a handful took the
contrary view - 5% felt it was "A nice change once in a while" while 7% only
rated it "OK if the real thing isn't available". Almost all the men in these
latter two groups were circumcised. My previous surveys led me to the conclusion
that circumcised men enjoy intercourse more, and therefore don't rate
masturbation so highly; these figures seem to offer some support. "Tiresome but
I need the relief" and "More trouble than it's worth" each got one response -
and both men were circumcised. Both also indicated that it took them too long to
climax. They both had moderately loose circumcisions and masturbated using the
skin - maybe they would have enjoyed it more with a lubricant! Perhaps this
favours the alternate view that circumcision makes masturbation more difficult -
but it was only two men. The men who one might expect to be most affected -
those with really tight circumcisions - masturbated just as often as other
circumcised men.
(Not with their skin, of course - lube was most popular but dry rubbing also
played a part.)
Masturbation to orgasm by a partner got a good rating, though for some men this
response had an element of wishful thinking. 65% checked "An enjoyable and safe
form of sex", although as many as 40% of these didn't actually get masturbated
by a partner often enough to rate. On the other hand, a similar number were
given a hand job once a week or more, and those who had this sort of sex most
often - twice a week or more - were equally enthusiastic.
27% checked "A nice alternative sometimes", and three quarters of those actually
enjoyed that nice alternative at least once a month. Ten people checked both
these boxes; one of these also selected "Only for the start of a relationship",
which otherwise (surprisingly) got no responses. Neither did "A last resort",
but two men, both circumcised, checked "I'd like it but my partner won't do it".
Both masturbated exclusively with a lubricant
- could that have had something to do with it? Five, also circumcised, checked
"Something I'd never do" - both of these seem surprisingly old-fashioned
attitudes for the late nineties. Four men said "Hopeless - I just don't reach
orgasm" - they, too, were circumcised which may give some credence to the common
idea that it is harder to masturbate a circumcised penis. One of them also had
difficulty getting off by himself, which helps to explain his situation, but not
the other three. All were quite versatile in their masturbation techniques so
it's hard to see why a partner should have had trouble. (In my previous surveys
this problem has tended to be associated with men who use one specialised
masturbation style exclusively). The fact remains that 13% of circumcised men,
for one reason or another, were unable to enjoy being jacked off my a partner,
while this didn't apply to any uncircumcised men. Is this because circumcision
makes masturbation more difficult or because it makes intercourse more enjoyable
for both partners?
In spite of the above differences, overall both circumcised and natural men were
masturbated just as often by their partners - a little less than once a week on
average.
Given the amount some men masturbated, one might expect a range of responses to
the question "Has your penis got tender or sore from too much masturbating?" My
experience at school was that it was mostly roundheads who suffered from that
problem - and specifically those who masturbated a lot before reaching puberty.
Once a teenage boy has 'grown up' it takes very little effort to bring him off,
but before that stage it takes quite a concentrated effort to reach orgasm, and
for a tightly-circumcised boy this could be a bit much.
This survey showed that while my observations had some basis - men circumcised
in infancy were more likely to check 'When I was a schoolboy maybe but not now'
- what applies to pre-pubertal schoolboys cannot be generalised to adults. Only
6% of men got sore frequently, but
uncircumcised men were four times as likely to be in this group. 22% of
the respondents said "Sometimes", and natural men answered this way twice as
often as circumcised ones. In other words uncircumcised men were very much more
likely to get sore - 48% of them checked 'Sometimes' or "Frequently" as against
21% of circumcised. Men who had been circumcised in later life told the same
story - a quarter of them had got sore before they were circumcised, but not
since. Only two answered that they only got sore after circumcision, and one was
not a serious response - the man explained that he had just been circumcised and
was not yet fully healed!
Looking at the other end of the spectrum, men who never got sore from
masturbating were almost all circumcised. Around 40% of the respondents, 39% of
cuts and 45% of naturals, checked the 'Rarely' box.
It is clear, therefore, that soreness from masturbating is predominantly a
problem for natural men. Does it relate to the fact that natural men masturbate
more often? Not at all. Natural men who rarely got sore masturbated on average
twice as often as those who did get sore. Three factors distinguish those who
got sore from other uncircumcised men; tight frenulums, long foreskins which
bunch up in front of the knob even when erect, and a preference for masturbating
with their foreskin forward. No one of these criteria was exclusive, but taken
together they strongly define this group. Men who had foreskins which were
difficult to retract were also more likely to fall into this group. What is
cause and what is effect is less clear - does this masturbation style need a lot
of effort, causing soreness, or are both the masturbation technique and the
soreness the consequences of a long skin and tight frenulum? Other uncut men
rarely used this method of masturbation.
Anatomy and masturbation style are evidently key factors. All bar one of those
who never got sore were circumcised - most quite tightly - and none had an
intact frenulum. Almost all usually masturbated with lubricant.
The one uncut man who never got sore also used a lubricant, holding his skin
back. So we have a clean-cut recipe for avoiding the problem. What about
circumcised men who did sometimes get sore? They were a diverse group, with
circumcisions ranging from very tight to very loose; some had frenulums, some
did not. The only constant factor was that almost all normally masturbated
without lubrication. They either moved the shaft skin if they had enough skin to
do that or rubbed dry if they didn't. We can deduce that lubrication is always
gentler, which is not surprising.
So how long does it take to get off? By far the most popular response was 'I can
climax fast or slowly - whichever I feel like'. Over half of the men responded
this way, and circumcision status made no difference. Next commonest was 'not
too quickly, not too slowly - just right' - 21% of respondents, again showing no
correlation with circumcision. 'It takes me a long time but that's how I like
it' came third, accounting for 11% of replies - circumcised men were rather more
likely to answer this way. 'I climax quickly & easily - exactly what I need'
came from 6%, predominantly
uncircumcised. 8% came quickly but would like to have lasted longer -
this showed no connection with circumcision. Men who took a long time but would
have liked to be quicker, or who took so long that they got frustrated, were all
circumcised, but they were only of 7% of the survey.
So a large majority were pretty much in control - but there was an clear
tendency for cavaliers to get off quickly and roundheads to take longer.
(c) James Badger (CA, AUS)
copyright © James Badger, 1999 & 2000
Introduction
Here at last is the first report from my long-running survey on circumcision and
masturbation. The survey form went out in three main versions, with some minor
revisions within each. The second and third were the most widely circulated and
therefore account for most of the replies.
Version 1 didn't have any general questions about masturbation attitudes and
frequency; the final version added a few questions about first starting
masturbation. The forms were posted to the Circlist email discussion group and
on the newsgroups alt.circumcision and alt.sex.masturbation.
147 men replied to the questionnaire, 105 circumcised and 42 natural. Only 30 of
the circumcised men were cut as infants, while 58 were done as adults, at ages
ranging from 20 to 50. Five men had been cut as boys before age 10, and another
5 before age 14; most of these were a consequence of clear foreskin problems.
Seven were done as older teens, aged 15 to 19; it seemed that one or two of
these were carried out for religious or ritual reasons. The proportion of men
cut as adults is not typical of the general population but it is probably a
close reflection of members of the circlist discussion group who made up a large
proportion of the respondents.
Masturbation - how is it for you?
Circumcised men masturbated less often, on average, than naturals - 23 times a
month against 32. (This has been a consistent feature in all my surveys). There
is a confounding factor here since so many men were circumcised as adults. Young
men typically masturbate more frequently than older ones, and men circumcised as
adults (at an average age of 29) will be older than the sample as a whole. A
fairer comparison is between men circumcised at birth and natural men. Men
circumcised at birth masturbated more often (26 times / month) than those
circumcised as adults (20 times / month), suggesting that age is indeed a
factor, but they still did it substantially less often than natural men. Men who
were circumcised as adults or teens masturbated, in general, less often now than
before their circumcision, but again this is probably mostly the age factor.
All these figures should be interpreted in a loose fashion since there was a
huge range of variation. Masturbation frequencies varied from zero to 80 times
per month among circumcised men, and from 5 times to 90 per month among
naturals. Most of those who didn't masturbate much got regular hand jobs from
their partners. If we include masturbation by a partner, no uncircumcised men
had fewer than 9 jack-offs per month, whereas one in 8 circumcised men were
below this total.
Some of the high figures are a little surprising - they are much higher than my
previous surveys have found. Over half the uncircumcised respondents masturbated
at least once a day, and 10% masturbated twice a day or more. Corresponding
figures for circumcised men were 30% and 8%. I didn't ask for ages but the
twelve men who were circumcised after age 35, and who therefore must have been
older than that, all masturbated less than once a day, so it is probably the
youngsters setting the records.
Anyhow, there is no doubt that men in this survey enjoy playing with themselves!
A huge majority (85%) agreed with the statement "Masturbation
(solo) is great - a fun and enjoyable activity". Only a handful took the
contrary view - 5% felt it was "A nice change once in a while" while 7% only
rated it "OK if the real thing isn't available". Almost all the men in these
latter two groups were circumcised. My previous surveys led me to the conclusion
that circumcised men enjoy intercourse more, and therefore don't rate
masturbation so highly; these figures seem to offer some support. "Tiresome but
I need the relief" and "More trouble than it's worth" each got one response -
and both men were circumcised. Both also indicated that it took them too long to
climax. They both had moderately loose circumcisions and masturbated using the
skin - maybe they would have enjoyed it more with a lubricant! Perhaps this
favours the alternate view that circumcision makes masturbation more difficult -
but it was only two men. The men who one might expect to be most affected -
those with really tight circumcisions - masturbated just as often as other
circumcised men.
(Not with their skin, of course - lube was most popular but dry rubbing also
played a part.)
Masturbation to orgasm by a partner got a good rating, though for some men this
response had an element of wishful thinking. 65% checked "An enjoyable and safe
form of sex", although as many as 40% of these didn't actually get masturbated
by a partner often enough to rate. On the other hand, a similar number were
given a hand job once a week or more, and those who had this sort of sex most
often - twice a week or more - were equally enthusiastic.
27% checked "A nice alternative sometimes", and three quarters of those actually
enjoyed that nice alternative at least once a month. Ten people checked both
these boxes; one of these also selected "Only for the start of a relationship",
which otherwise (surprisingly) got no responses. Neither did "A last resort",
but two men, both circumcised, checked "I'd like it but my partner won't do it".
Both masturbated exclusively with a lubricant
- could that have had something to do with it? Five, also circumcised, checked
"Something I'd never do" - both of these seem surprisingly old-fashioned
attitudes for the late nineties. Four men said "Hopeless - I just don't reach
orgasm" - they, too, were circumcised which may give some credence to the common
idea that it is harder to masturbate a circumcised penis. One of them also had
difficulty getting off by himself, which helps to explain his situation, but not
the other three. All were quite versatile in their masturbation techniques so
it's hard to see why a partner should have had trouble. (In my previous surveys
this problem has tended to be associated with men who use one specialised
masturbation style exclusively). The fact remains that 13% of circumcised men,
for one reason or another, were unable to enjoy being jacked off my a partner,
while this didn't apply to any uncircumcised men. Is this because circumcision
makes masturbation more difficult or because it makes intercourse more enjoyable
for both partners?
In spite of the above differences, overall both circumcised and natural men were
masturbated just as often by their partners - a little less than once a week on
average.
Given the amount some men masturbated, one might expect a range of responses to
the question "Has your penis got tender or sore from too much masturbating?" My
experience at school was that it was mostly roundheads who suffered from that
problem - and specifically those who masturbated a lot before reaching puberty.
Once a teenage boy has 'grown up' it takes very little effort to bring him off,
but before that stage it takes quite a concentrated effort to reach orgasm, and
for a tightly-circumcised boy this could be a bit much.
This survey showed that while my observations had some basis - men circumcised
in infancy were more likely to check 'When I was a schoolboy maybe but not now'
- what applies to pre-pubertal schoolboys cannot be generalised to adults. Only
6% of men got sore frequently, but
uncircumcised men were four times as likely to be in this group. 22% of
the respondents said "Sometimes", and natural men answered this way twice as
often as circumcised ones. In other words uncircumcised men were very much more
likely to get sore - 48% of them checked 'Sometimes' or "Frequently" as against
21% of circumcised. Men who had been circumcised in later life told the same
story - a quarter of them had got sore before they were circumcised, but not
since. Only two answered that they only got sore after circumcision, and one was
not a serious response - the man explained that he had just been circumcised and
was not yet fully healed!
Looking at the other end of the spectrum, men who never got sore from
masturbating were almost all circumcised. Around 40% of the respondents, 39% of
cuts and 45% of naturals, checked the 'Rarely' box.
It is clear, therefore, that soreness from masturbating is predominantly a
problem for natural men. Does it relate to the fact that natural men masturbate
more often? Not at all. Natural men who rarely got sore masturbated on average
twice as often as those who did get sore. Three factors distinguish those who
got sore from other uncircumcised men; tight frenulums, long foreskins which
bunch up in front of the knob even when erect, and a preference for masturbating
with their foreskin forward. No one of these criteria was exclusive, but taken
together they strongly define this group. Men who had foreskins which were
difficult to retract were also more likely to fall into this group. What is
cause and what is effect is less clear - does this masturbation style need a lot
of effort, causing soreness, or are both the masturbation technique and the
soreness the consequences of a long skin and tight frenulum? Other uncut men
rarely used this method of masturbation.
Anatomy and masturbation style are evidently key factors. All bar one of those
who never got sore were circumcised - most quite tightly - and none had an
intact frenulum. Almost all usually masturbated with lubricant.
The one uncut man who never got sore also used a lubricant, holding his skin
back. So we have a clean-cut recipe for avoiding the problem. What about
circumcised men who did sometimes get sore? They were a diverse group, with
circumcisions ranging from very tight to very loose; some had frenulums, some
did not. The only constant factor was that almost all normally masturbated
without lubrication. They either moved the shaft skin if they had enough skin to
do that or rubbed dry if they didn't. We can deduce that lubrication is always
gentler, which is not surprising.
So how long does it take to get off? By far the most popular response was 'I can
climax fast or slowly - whichever I feel like'. Over half of the men responded
this way, and circumcision status made no difference. Next commonest was 'not
too quickly, not too slowly - just right' - 21% of respondents, again showing no
correlation with circumcision. 'It takes me a long time but that's how I like
it' came third, accounting for 11% of replies - circumcised men were rather more
likely to answer this way. 'I climax quickly & easily - exactly what I need'
came from 6%, predominantly
uncircumcised. 8% came quickly but would like to have lasted longer -
this showed no connection with circumcision. Men who took a long time but would
have liked to be quicker, or who took so long that they got frustrated, were all
circumcised, but they were only of 7% of the survey.
So a large majority were pretty much in control - but there was an clear
tendency for cavaliers to get off quickly and roundheads to take longer.
James Badger (CA, AUS)
The natural penis and what you can do with it
Uncircumcised respondents were a much smaller group, but if we include those
circumcised members who gave details about their former state we have a similar
sample to the circumcised members. Looking first just at men who are still
natural, they have rather longer foreskins than those in my previous surveys.
More than half of them have foreskins which extend beyond the tip of their knob,
and almost all of these checked "Foreskin covers my knob with a lot to spare"
rather than "Foreskin covers my knob with a little bit over". About a quarter
had a knob which was just covered, and the remainder (around 20%) had a partly
covered knob, split fairly evenly between "Foreskin covers most of my knob but
not all of it"
and "Knob is mostly bare - skin covers half of it or less". None had a fully
exposed knob when flaccid. Erect many of them - around a third - did have a
fully exposed knob, usually with excess skin bunched up behind it.
However a quarter still had surplus skin in front of the glans, and a similar
number had the knob just fully covered. Only a few had a partly covered knob
when hard. Half had foreskins which retracted at a touch, and most of the rest
could retract with a pull, but a three men had problem foreskins - two could
only be retracted with difficulty and the third had serious problems. In spite
of medical intervention he could not expose even part of his glans when erect,
and could only partly uncover it when soft. It is hard to conceive that a man
could go through life unable to enjoy any normal sex-life when a simple
operation could cure the problem, and I hope that he has managed to obtain more
competent medical help since completing the form.
How did the members of those who were later circumcised compare? In general they
had even longer foreskins - fully three quarters had a bunch of excess skin at
the end, and though a couple had fully uncovered knobs the rest had knobs which
were either fully or mostly covered. Erect, over a third still had excess skin,
and only 17% had a bare glans. A quarter had a partly covered knob. Over half
had to positively pull to retract their foreskin, fully 10% had difficulty in
retracting, and three had skins which were not retractable. Two of these were
circumcised in boyhood, at ages 11 and 14, so their problem did get appropriate
treatment. Even so, the latter boy needed a revision at age 19 so his first job
was obviously not satisfactory. The third had been able to retract his foreskin
after cutting his own frenulum as a teenager, but then in adult life found that
his tight skin kept tearing, resulting in secondary phimosis, and he was
eventually circumcised at 33. The take-home message from this is that problem
foreskins should always be dealt with before puberty. Letting a teenage boy
suffer the physical and emotional trauma of a tight foreskin is cruelty, there
is no other word for it.
Almost half of all uncircumcised men had been able to retract their foreskin as
long as they could remember, and there was no difference between those
subsequently circumcised and those who remained natural.
Around a third of both groups had managed to retract before puberty, which
avoids major problems. Those who pulled back for the first time after puberty
mostly remained uncircumcised, but almost all had foreskins which remained
rather tight.
Most of the nine men who had received medical assistance to retract their
foreskins later ended up getting circumcised anyway. This includes at least two
who had had medical help before turning 10. Of the two who didn't, one still has
a foreskin which is difficult to retract. This shows clearly enough that medical
intervention other than circumcision is not really very successful, and problem
foreskins are much better dealt with circumcision in the first place.
The vast majority of men with foreskins also had intact frenulums. Of those who
didn't - whose frenulums has either torn or been cut - almost all were later
circumcised. Two men indicated that they never had a frenulum, while one didn't
know - but then he was circumcised before he turned 10.
Men whose frenulum was uncomfortably tight, soft or erect, had mostly been
subsequently circumcised, but three men still suffered from this problem.
Over half of the men who remained natural had a frenulum which was stretched
tight when they retracted their foreskins while erect, and for half of these the
frenulum was tight even if they pulled back when soft.
So how did these men like to jack off? There were no significant differences
between those who remained natural and those who were subsequently circumcised,
so all men who gave details about uncircumcised masturbation - 92 of them - are
included in the following results.
Two thirds of uncircumcised men manipulated their foreskin, one way or another,
as their favourite method or masturbation. Almost all - 93% -
masturbated this way some of the time. No one technique dominated the
statistics for circumcised men the way the foreskin does for natural men.
Their most popular way of doing it was to move the foreskin back and forth over
the knob. Some - almost all with foreskins that were a bit (or more than a bit)
tight kept their foreskin forward while pumping on it. Keeping it retracted was
the least popular option but then the group as a whole had long foreskins.
Rubbing with a lubricant was not popular; only 17% listed it as their method of
choice, and only a third used it at all. Even these figures are misleading since
only one man actually masturbated with lube more often than using his foreskin.
The others who liked this method kept it for special occasions, and masturbated
at least as often - usually more often - with their skin. Two men who gave lube
methods as their favourites only actually used them once a month, while jacking
off daily with their skin!
It is interesting to ask why this is so. Obviously using a lubricant is more
messy, and requires both more preparation and more cleaning up. To some extent
we see the consequences of this in the reports of circumcised men, but it is
much more obvious with naturals. Presumably the foreskin presents natural men
with such a quick and easy way of getting off that they are always tempted to
take it, even when they find lubricated rubbing more satisfying. Circumcised men
don't have quite such an easy way out, so they are more likely to take the route
of maximum enjoyment.
So most natural men masturbated most often with their foreskins. If they
didn't use their foreskin, natural men were most likely to masturbate by dry
stroking - a third did this from time to time. They usually stroked the entire
organ; over half pulled surplus skin back as they did this but many did not.
(Presumably they did nevertheless retract the foreskin, though some had a long
excess of skin so maybe we cannot assume this). Men who just stroked the knob
without lubricant, not the whole penis, almost all had knobs which were fully
exposed when erect. This is a marked contrast to those who stroked the knob
alone with lubricant - they mostly had knobs which didn't uncover automatically
on erection. Presumably a bare knob can be dry enough to stroke, whereas a
covered one will be sticky and must be lubricated.
Pulling the skin back tightly and just holding it there until orgasm was the
only other technique to have a noticeable following - three men used it as the
favourite method and another eight used it sometimes. These men tended to have
tight frenulums, so maybe that makes it easier to reach orgasm that way. The
numbers are small, but enough to show that this is a more popular technique
among natural men than circumcised ones. In fact few men who had used it before
circumcision continued to do so afterwards.
Manipulating the frenulum was no-ones favoured technique, but 15% of natural men
used it sometimes. These were all men with intact frenulums, and almost all were
either loose or at least not tight. Seven of them were subsequently circumcised,
and all but one continued to use this technique even though in all cases their
frenulum had been totally or partially removed. One man elevated it to 'favourite'
status after circumcision.
Three men who had never used it before circumcision did so afterwards. But then,
it is a more popular technique among circumcised men.
Humping the bed was also nobody's favourite, but eleven men used it as an
alternative. Unlike the case with circumcised men, the length of foreskin seemed
to make no difference. Two of the three men in this group who were subsequently
circumcised continued to use this technique, even though they went from long
foreskins to tight circumcisions. Three men who hadn't used it with a foreskin
did so after circumcision.
'Other' techniques were only mentioned by three men. Only one of these was
really something different - this man's favourite technique was using a stream
of water from the shower-head on his penis, with the foreskin forward. (Yes, I
find it surprising, too, that someone can get off that
way!)
For many men getting circumcised meant a change in masturbation style. 51 men
gave details about masturbation before and after circumcision. Twelve of them
kept essentially the same favourite masturbation technique - three who had
always used lube, four who had always used dry rubbing, one who had always used
his skin retracted, and four who still had enough skin after circumcision to
bring it over the rim of the knob. Six others continued to use the skin, but
just moving it on the shaft rather than over the glans.
For 21 men circumcision meant giving up pumping the skin - at least as their
favourite technique. 14 adopted lubrication - a technique most hadn't even used
as an alternative before - while 7 took up dry stroking, again with little
previous experience. In fact rather few of those who changed strokes changed to
one they had used at all before. Some changes were rather unexpected - for
instance two men who had used dry stroking gave it up in favour of pumping the
skin when circumcised. Overall, though, for two thirds of men circumcision led
to a total change in their favourite way of jacking off.
Just starting off
When does a boy first start to masturbate? The three questions on this topic
were only in the last version of the form, and were answered by 43 men, most of
whom were circumcised in later life. Only 8 (19%) were circumcised as infants or
young children, and the same number were uncircumcised. Masturbating before age
10 was something that only uncircumcised boys did. Just over quarter of the
sample had started young, and not one was circumcised at the time, though one
was circumcised at age
7 or 8 and continued as soon as it had healed! Between age 10 and the onset of
puberty another quarter of the sample had started masturbation - the few who
gave an exact age specified either 10 or 11. Circumcised boys were much better
represented in this group, and were beginning to catch up on their uncut
contemporaries. Almost all the remaining men, and much the largest group,
started masturbation around the start of puberty. By this time almost all
circumcised and uncircumcised boys were masturbating. Only two men started
masturbating after puberty - one of these had been circumcised at age 12, and
was therefore circumcised before he started; the other was cut at age 20 and
presumably had been masturbating some time before that.
Half of the boys who started masturbating young didn't reach orgasm until much
later, sometimes not until they reached puberty and could ejaculate.
A third, though, could masturbate to orgasm even at this young age. One claimed
to reach orgasm and ejaculate before age 10, which is not impossible but
certainly uncommon. Boys who started masturbating after 10 were much more likely
to be able to orgasm almost immediately, though some still had to wait awhile.
Circumcised boys in particular seemed to be able to reach orgasm long before
they were old enough to ejaculate. Boys who started masturbating at puberty all
had their first ejaculation either with or shortly after their first orgasm, but
a quarter of them were still masturbating for some time before they achieved
this. This included one boy, circumcised at 12 who didn't start masturbating
until he was 17, and who still was trying for some time before experiencing his
first ejaculation and orgasm. This was an unusually late puberty if he was in a
Western country, though it would have been commonplace a hundred years ago, and
is still not uncommon in many parts of the world. Most men who put in an exact
age here specified 13 or 14. Two men started masturbating after puberty - one
had ejaculated in wet dreams before his first climax produced by hand.
Overall conclusions
1. Uncircumcised men start masturbating at a younger age and throughout life
masturbate more often than circumcised ones.
2. Circumcised and natural men masturbate in different ways. Some of these
differences are pretty much what we would expect: natural men like pumping the
skin, especially moving it back and forth over the glans, circumcised men like
massaging the penis with a lubricant. Others are less obvious - circumcised men
like humping the bed or playing with the frenulum more than natural men do,
while the reverse is true of pulling down hard on the shaft skin.
3. Styles of foreskin also made a difference for natural men. Again, some were
obvious - men with long or tight foreskins were more likely to leave them
forward when masturbating. Others were less so - men whose glans was
automatically uncovered on erection were likely to stroke the glans alone, dry,
while men who used lube on the glans alone would need to pull the skin back
first. A tight frenulum was pretty much a prerequisite for the 'pull back hard
and tight' method of masturbation, whereas a looser one was required to
masturbate with the frenulum itself.
4. Circumcision styles made a lot of difference to masturbation techniques.
Again, the obvious one was that pumping the skin was easier with a loose
circumcision, and rubbing with a lubricant was preferable with a tight cut, but
many factors were much less obvious. Dry stroking of the whole penis was only
popular with some loose skin present, and was not at all popular with a 'high'
scar and a lot of inner skin on the shaft.
Pulling skin over the edge of the knob required not only a reasonably loose cut,
but also a 'high' scar with lots of inner skin. It made no difference to
masturbating with the frenulum whether or not the frenulum had been removed or
not, or whether the skin there was tight or loose, but it was essential that
there was some inner skin present in the region - a scar which angled up under
the glans was not compatible with this technique.
5. Soreness from masturbation was almost entirely a problem of uncircumcised
men. Conversely, masturbating a tightly-circumcised penis with lubricant was a
sure-fire way of avoiding soreness.
6. The popular conception that infant circumcisions are 'high and tight is quite
false. Infant circumcisions could be tight or loose, and the scar could be close
to the glans or well down the shaft.
7. Medical assistance with retracting a tight foreskin was invariably a failure
in the long term. Circumcision is the only solution to this problem.
Almost all men enjoyed masturbation, however they did it and whatever sort of
penis they had. Maybe this report will give you some ideas to improve your
pleasure, or to give greater pleasure to your partner.
James Badger (CA, AUS)
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